"She bore him two children" strikes me as a quaintly anachronistic turn of phrase. It is neutral and in my view completely inoffensive. "She gave birth to two children" does not imply anything about whether or not MJ fathered them. Please stop.- ♦Ian Ma cM♦ (talk to me) 15:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC) What does your common sense and *ahem* discriminating eye tell you about Rashida Jones? WillOakland ( talk) 20:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC) Questions of paternity aside, I agree that "she gave birth to two children" is better than "she bore him two children." Exploding Boy ( talk) 20:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC) I agree. You are doing the self-appointed genetics expert routine again. "He said and then she said" claims are not reliable, especially in an article like this. Nashassum ( talk) 15:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC) We have been through all this before. Everybody can of course see that Jackson didn't have any children (WP:COMMONSENSE, he's black, the children are white). Klein's (the likely father's) attorney appeared in the custody hearing of the children demanding a say on the future of the children. The most recent development as far as the children is concerned is that Dr. This claim fails WP:BURDEN and will always be removed until it does not (ie a DNA test is taken).- ♦Ian Ma cM♦ (talk to me) 15:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC) It's not for you to decide, as long as that fact is considered relevant by others, including the mother of the children and the world press. Nashassum ( talk) 15:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC) Don't agree here, but the main problem seems to be your own POV pushing that Michael Jackson was not the biological father of his children with Debbie Rowe. The current state of the article is unacceptable. Please make yourself familiar with what Wikipedia is not. Language like "she bore him two children", which implies men are superior to women, is completely unsuitable for an encyclopedia. Due to WP:BLP and WP:RS, no claim/counterclaim situations are suitable for the article.- ♦Ian Ma cM♦ (talk to me) 15:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC) The biological parentage of Jackson's children may have been questioned, but MJ was their legal father. Nashassum ( talk) 15:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Īlso, please stop. You haven't provided any explanation for your revert-warring, and you are inserting sexist and blatantly POV content into the article. you simply must stop this pattern of editing. The changes you are making are sourced only to the Huffington Post, and are removing much reliably-sourced information. You've now been reverted by multiple editors. As I posted at your talkpage, discuss your potentially controversial changes here, and gather consensus for them, before you make them."She gave birth to two children" is 1) non-sexist, 2) neutral and 3) factually accurate. An expression like "She bore him two children" is 1) sexist language and 2) incorrect, as the children in question weren't Jackson's according to their mother.
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